Tuesday, May 20, 2014

INTERVIEW WITH THE CEO OF DEFKALION GREEN TECHNOLOGIES, MR. ALEX XANTHOULIS


In order to see the context and deeper details of the Gamberale Report published here: http://animpossibleinvention.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/dgt-faulty-demo-140502-english.pdf I have asked the most authorized person- the leader and strategist of the Defkalion company to give me an interview. CEO Xanthoulis has accepted and has answered to all my questions. It was an illuminating discussion despite revealing somewhat shadowy sides of that Report.

Q: Based on the recent publications of Mr. Gamberale & various others, what is your position?
A: Firstly we need to see what happened during the two live streaming presentations.
From 1st June 2013, our chief engineer Mr. S Amaxas & Mr. Gamberale were setting up the Laboratory in Milan. From the 25th June they were both running tests checking the set-up, the performance and the software.
During those days they made various adjustments and improvements which were mutually agreed upon, based on my knowledge.
On Friday the 19th July, I and my team arrived in Milan. In the meeting after my arrival NO questions or quires were raised by Mr. Gamberale on the performance of the equipment.  Furthermore on Sunday the 20th July our stock broker arrived and as per my promise given to Mr. Gamberale previously, he opened the Accounts to receive shares of the Defkalion Holding Company of Canada and he signed for them.
On Monday the 22nd  July Mr. Gamberale performed and presented the live streaming test for Italy in Italian, he was enthusiastic about the technology to all of the attendees.
Attending were journalists and scientists from Italy to whom afterwards in private he explained in detail the technology. On the same day, all night and till early morning of the next day our technical staff was preparing the equipment for the Live Streaming presentation for ICCF18.
On Tuesday 23rd July at 11.00am Mr. Gamberale declared himself sick and did not attend the live presentation.
The Live presentation was witnessed by many attendees, including Mr. Mats Lewan, who later was controlling independently and in detail all of the equipment and operations.
The live presentation was carried out with several difficulties such as power failures, no A/C and inadequate time to degassing from Argon to Hydrogen. During this live test none of the attendees raised any questions, doubts, whatever.
On Wednesday the 24th July and before our departure from Milan we were requested to participate in a meeting with the following participants, Alex Xanthoulis, Stavros Amaxas, Franco Capielo, Lucas Gamberale. At the request of Mr. Gambarale our CTO Mr. Hadjichristos was not invited to attend.
During this meeting Mr Gamberale made a presentation of his “SO CALLED” secret test which were conducted on the 18th of July, I was totally surprised and shocked because his attitude the previous days (of the 19th, 20th, 21st, 22nd  July) was positive and enthusiastic.
My question to him was why he accepted the Defkalion Shares, why he made the Italian presentation and why he brought the subject up when we could not repeat the same test together because of our departure schedule. I have never received any answer to the above also to why he excluded Mr. Xadjichristos from that meeting.
Due to shortage of time and since all the questions were on the calorimetry, I suggested to send him test that were conducted without calorimetry. These tests were delayed to be sent due to my health problems at that time. However they were actually sent one month later. In fact this information was sent two times and although this information was strictly confidential we never received further questions or any answers.
So I was shocked when I saw published a test of Mr. Gamberale that was never conducted together with us to prove his position. Although a strict NDA was signed by Mr. Gamberale with a very high penalty clause in the case of a breach.
I was strongly advised by our personnel to use our Lawyers for the breaching of the NDA, but so far I have not taken any action, as I strongly believe that there are strong hidden interests.
Q: You mean that Luca Gamberale has made his test prior to your arrival and official tests in Milan?
A: Yes, he could not have done it during our presence or after because our engineers were next to the reactor all day of our presence and when we departed, we have taken the reactor with us. Anyhow, he told us that his test was on the 18th.
Q: Who prepared the software on National Instruments Board?
A: N.I.  and Luca Gamberale according to our instructions.
Q: Did Luca Gamberale attend tests prior to Italy and ICCF presentations?
A: He was two days in Athens, 15 days in Vancouver and 35 days in Milan conducting tests.
Q: Did he have any remarks or objections during the tests?
A: None that I know.
Q: Did he really receive shares of the company?
A: Yes, and he signed for the shares.
Q: Did he signed a NDA?
A: Yes, with a very high penalty for breach of contract. My question is: if we go legally against him, who is going to pay the penalty? Probably, somebody has promised to pay for him. What the public seems to forget is what big interests are behind this technology.
Q: Do you believe that Luca Gamberale is a good scientist?
A: Yes, I believe that Luca Gamberale is a brilliant scientist and I am wondering how on earth he did not understand earlier that calorimetry was wrong.
Q: Was calorimetry wrong?
A: I am not a scientist. Calorimetry was not set by us but from brilliant and well known international scientists.
Q: Do you have any scientists who observed the tests and examined the data?
A: As I have repeated several times, we are a business entity and not a lab. Up to now, we have 12 scientists from big international companies who have signed and accepted our tests and data and 3 who were neutral and still examine the data with a lot of questions and answers.
Q: What about your interview with Mats Lewan?
A: Mats is a very good journalist but he, as every journalist, takes bits and pieces from every sentence and he publishes accordingly depending how he wants to present his view.
Q: Are you going to publish any scientific paper on this issue?
A: No, the next publication will be on our R6. Anyhow what we are doing and how we do it concerns only our shareholders.
Q: You have announced that you will trade your shares in the stock market soon.
A: We believe the right moment is when R6 pre-industrial product is ready and licensed. Anyhow our new shareholders do not believe in stock market. I have to convince them.

Remark: “My personal opinion is that the statements  from the Gamberale Report re. the malfunctioning of the flowmeter have nothing to do with the actual modus operandi of the Hyperion R5 in conformity with the Defkalion Protocol during standard tests and the Demo"


51 comments:

  1. Can we assume that the truth is somewhere in between the claims of Gamberale and Xanthoulis? Why would Gamberale, who is a brilliant scientist with shares in Defkalion, and Capiello, who is supposedly interested in marketing it in Europe, act against their best interests by "attacking" the Defkalion demo? Especially after they waited 10 months for more convincing evidence before making Gamberale's report public? In the most optimistic scenario, I can only conclude that the demo was flawed (it clearly was since many questions were raised even without Gamberale's report) and that while Defkalion may have had some indications of (non-chemical) excess heat they still have or had control problems. Hopefully, their R6 reactor will not have these problems. In the least optimistic but perhaps more realistic scenario, they are either completely incompetent and have been fooling themselves with poor calorimetry all along (and have also erroneously detected high magnetic fields or high magnetic field pulses from their device) or they eventually realized their errors and/or problems with the calorimetry but conducted a flawed demo anyway in an effort to maintain interest until they can get things working.

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    1. R6 will decide everything; it has an external water cooler, not steam problem and metering cooling water not flowmeter necessary, simple and straightforward.
      Peter

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    2. Breaching NDA makes no sense; it is not an academia lousy business; someone pays penalty for that... it makes no sense to get in such trouble for sake of science, unless this version of event is totally bogus...

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  2. Peter, you should have asked Xanthoulis who the 12 famous scientists are and who the big companies are! He's been claiming favorable tests since 2011 and has never presented a single company, university or test lab that will be interviewed about performing them.

    I do not believe anyone from any such an organization has ever tested a Defkalion product with positive results. Can you prove that assertion to be wrong? Can Mr. Xanthoulis?

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    1. First of all, please judge the situation in evolution, R1-R2-R3-R4- R5 and now coming R6. What I am asking DGT is my business- it happens i know some of those scientists. Who is admitted in the DGT lab is a sensibel subject- the world is full of wise guys who know they are smarter than everybody. the inventors included and
      who want to know essential know-what and know- how elements
      (know -why is not so popular) and hope to learn the secrets of the Hyperions. I also know many examples.R1 to R5 are embryonic stages of the device, R6 is adolescnt R7 will be mature and will be tetesd by many users. Est modus in rebus.

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  3. I find it very unprofessional of the italians, They clain they paid a serious amount of money to Defkalion , therefore one assumes that they did their due diligence. To conduct the due diligence, accept the shares , then break NDA before going off to start up their own LENR labs is fishy in the extreme

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    1. I have to agree with you; they are lacking both efficiency and, what's worth, effectiveness in action.
      Peter

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  4. You should read carefully that report, it accounted for an easy trick, and exactly for that not so easy to spot, revealed by a third party team that has been entered despite your try to constantly keep the hands on the magic toy.

    Moreover, it accounts for a lot of oddities in demo we could see on web, like the fact that the steam output was buried and no one could see it, and the fact that valves were touched between test with Argon and run, and the fact the room was too silent, and the unbelievable claim of that huge unbelievable magnetic field.

    The reconstruction of the event and of what preceded in time (and of what anybody could discover followed) is consistent and makes sense.

    The conclusion is R5 is an evident fraud, as it makes no sense at all that the sellers for the whole Europe claimed for a scam on a working marvellous device they had the right to sell everywhere.

    The judgement of a fraud is enforced by all the voices of a try for a grab of the Rossi invention, and from Rossi himself voice since the break of any relation with you years ago.

    Saying a whole Country does not deserve any respect is not a great point as half world knows the saying "one face one race". At least this put a great question mark on Rossi claims, while in any case you are without hope.

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  5. Pretty crappy way to run a scam.

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    1. Dear Andrew- how has to be run a scam, correctly? Can you give examples of negative "good practices"?

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  6. It's difficult to comment on this with the limited information available. It is a possibility that Defkalions reactor is not as efficient as they claim and this is behind the inconsistent results.

    Defkalion might not be able to match Rossi's COP unless they can engineer a way to match the E-Cats LENR + capabilities. You could say that they are still experimenting with LENR +0.001. Rossi may be holding the secrets needed for Defkalion to attain comparable LENR + results.

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  7. Inconsistence of what he said, nothing about Cappiello statements.
    No technical evidences against Gamberale's report.

    It's clear, scam and fraud.

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    1. it will be clear when you sign it.

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    2. You don't have any fact to put on table and escape from this scam talking about "sign" and so on.
      Really poor content.

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    3. Give me an example of a fact that satisfies you in a similar case.
      However I am discussing only with peipole who have the decency to use their real identity. Anonymous equal coward. Who are you?
      Peter

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    4. It's so simple...
      Not your futile words or again a Xanthoulis interview, but real facts. For example technical evidences to prove that Gamberale's Report is wrong, independent test data on Hyperion 5 that demonstrate that it works and so on...

      I am a person really informed, if you don't like to talk with anonymous users why you have this Blog? Just to support their scam?

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    5. To be clear independent test it means really verifieable third party tests, not again Nelson or Kim story...

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    6. This is not a scientific dispute, it is development; it is done by a company not by an institute and this company is responsible not for aggressive, hostile, bad-mouthed negativist kibitzes.
      The problem (see my 20 Problem Solving Rules) can be solved only by users of the generators- who will find its inevitable weaknesses and help to correct it. The july 23 demo was actually excellent. logically consistent and had nothing to do with the manipulations imagined in the Gamberale report. Wait for R6, further polemics useless, I have better things to do.

      Peter

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    7. This is not a scientific disputes, it is development ...
      Your it's just a phony excuse, a wrong excuse.
      They did scam all scientific community, even ICCF, therefore they must quickly show if it works as said (don't warry it doesn't work) just now, not at time to be defined. When, never?
      It's first of all a scientific disputes.
      Unfortunately you aren't able to understand...

      Wait for R6 ...
      Your usual reply to escape from any demonstration and verification. from you only words...
      Do you have fear to test something? Yes?

      I have better things to do
      Right, you have to keep a blog to support cheaters and liars, this is the only thing that you able to do well, very well.

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    8. You will see that the report of Gamberale is fake and erronated.

      I keep a blog to do my EGO OUT policy (see it) and I support DGT because actually they have solved the problem of new energy and their technology is the best, and this is independent from your opinion. I hope you have told what you wanted to tell, as you wanted it so it was enough.
      Peter

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    9. What?
      DGT solved the problem of new energy and their technology is the best???
      Are you awash?
      They solved only the question if it was a scam or a fraud.
      The answer is: both!

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    10. Are you misinformed or ill-willed?
      The answer is both; and when you will apologize I will not know
      which one of those anonymous bravos you was/are.
      Find a pen-name at least/last, please. What for Helen or Ann Yugo?

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  8. Scam, scam, scam, scam, scam, scam, scam, scam, scam, scam.

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    1. can you please repeat it, for the sake of clarity?
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  9. Ok, I will repeat and explain why it is a scam. Luca Gamberale found a fault in the testing set-up. It took to him 4/5 days to understand the meaning of it and the fact that it was systematically used to false the tests. He asked some modifications to the set-up and he didn't get. He asked to measure the water flow with his instrumentation and he wasn' allowed. He asks for clarifications afterwords and he gets some shitty temperature measurements that show local heat anomalies, probably interesting from the scientific point of view but completely useless as long as the system's COP is 1 (this is still the same situation as Piantelli 20 years ago). For one year he cannot tell anything to anybody because he signed a NDA. Finally he speaks.
    The answer from XANTHOULIS fantastic: he is saying that Luca is an idiot because while he was starting to have some doubts on the SCAM, he anyway bught the shares, and now, he had better to keep silent because otherwise he will have to pay for breaking the NDA.
    Does the R5 really works? XANTHOULIS must repeat the demonstration with the corrected set-up, as requested by Luca.
    But, don't worry, I am not intersted to see it.

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  10. I don't get it. When Defkalion claimed they were ready to go to market a couple of years ago, they supposedly had sophisticated control electronics, a failure-proof cooling system and continuous tests with hundreds of reactors, certification by government entities, "more than 470 customers" and on and on. Nothing of that was ever proven. No evidence for any of it was ever forthcoming. Obviously, nothing of it was true. When they showed the Milan demo, it looked like a hobbyist's experiment thrown together in a day or two. Their sophisticated electronics was a guy in a lab coat screwing around with a manual valve every once in a while and the entire thing produced less energy (again: supposedly) than what they claimed they had ready three years ago - only that the supposed energy release couldn't be observed. If anything, it was consistent with what Gamerbale now claims - almost no energy at all and certainly no COP > 1. How can anybody in their right mind think this is legit is beyond me. I only hope you don't have to live to see the day when this finally goes down the drain and you have to realize that you've been abused big time, Peter.

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  11. For now on it is too much antagonism, too much hatred implied. Only
    experiments demos with R6 can decide. DGT has to focus on this, it is a company not an institute or university.
    Peter

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    1. Sorry Mr. Gluck... but...
      Why should we wait for the R6? Continuing talking about the R6 is it not like admitting that the R5 doesn't work? And how do you know that the R6 will work better than the R5? Have you already seen some testing?

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    2. Dear Marcomic,

      Have you an idea what a Development Project is- have you lead one? DGT must focus on progress not on polemics with envious scientists and smart kibitzes. Be convinced the R5 has also worked well , the R6 is much more poweful.You can bet on iit.
      but I know you are unable now to believe this so say what you wish
      I enjoy opposite opinions- it is a masochist practice.

      Peter

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    3. >> have you lead one?

      I have. Do that for a living. The problem with your argument is, that it simply doesn't work like you say it does. There is always progress in every technology and it never really ends. Cars, Planes, Computers, Software... the next generation is always better and much more powerful. If Defkalion really had an R6, their R7 would be better, too. And their R8 would be better still. Does that mean the R6 will have as much as an impact as the R1, 2, 3, 4 and 5? None at all?

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    4. Fine, then you have the right to give an opinion- and I see you begin to be reasonable. Wait for R6.
      Peter

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    5. Somebody said it before. According to Defkalion, they had a working product three years ago. So why do we have to wait for R6? The Wright Brothers didn't wait for the Gufstream, Edison didn't wait for LED, Fleming didn't wait for Ticarcillin and Benz didn't wait for the S-Class. Defkalion has nothing but words and a decreasing number of believers. Get over it before you become the last one.

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    6. When exactly, 3 years ago? May2011? This was before the divorce from Rossi- DGT has then learned tht the E-cat is able definitely able to generate some excess heat- so a new energy source is possible but to effectively build it, make it functional, effective and manageable- serious professional R&D work.
      They also have stated that Rossi is not on the right way and have initiated their own way as described in their ICCF- 17, 18 and PIM papers> See the 5 generations-prototypes of hyperions in:
      https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B_X3dbKt3jZORm5TSUF5ZUxKS0E/edit
      at 3. hyperion Reactor, does it work?
      R6 is the necessary, next stage of development.
      The putative technological analogies given by you are completely inadequate- I abstain of saying they are a proof of arrogant amateuriem and technological illiteracy. Kitty Hawk was airpalne no. many, what do yoy want with Edison and LED?; the great action with Penicillen was its industrial manufacture a great performance of the chemcial industry, no car or engine results from spontaneous generation. A bit more common sense please!
      Technology is a profession and much more than applied science.

      Naivete is charming at pre-teenager girls but despicable at professionals.

      Peter

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    7. What should I believe, Peter? Is it supposed to become a new faith? Is this professional? Luca has belived and look to what happened to him.
      We all are still waiting for a demonstration of a COP>1.

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    8. Be free to believe what you wish and be also free to not believe what
      you do not like. My blog writings are 100% expressive, i have the privilege to tell what I think. As regarding Luca he is mature eneough to know what he is doing. At least I hope so.
      Peter

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    9. >> this was before the divorce

      And yet they announced a 45 kW Hyperion which they claim was developed after "extensive testing" in November 2011. Certification was "pending" and sales were announced to start in 2012. Do you really believe that was true? Really, really believe it?

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  12. Peter,

    As has been said; this doesn't look very good for DGT. The only reason I refrain from joining in the mobs condemnation and righteous indignation is due to your reputation and defense of DGT. If you say that their product launch of the R5 will settle the issue and prove DGT legitimate... I will await further developments before making judgement.

    If I may?... One suggestion though. Casting aspersions upon Gamberale/Capiella is not suitable to your image. Perhaps it might be better to leave that kind of talk to Xanthoulis/Hadjichristos? You have 60 years of accomplishments to protect... No use risking it IMO.

    Take care.


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    1. Dear Shane,

      Thank you for your care. What I think about DGT is based on facts I know and on the correlations between these facts- on their consistency.
      I have followed the evolution of DGT's technologyfrom their divorce of Rossi.
      I don't claim being inerrant or infallible and I well know that making great errors is a "must" part of a good reputation.
      What do you think about my paper in which I confess that eveything I knew about cold fusion was wrong?
      Peter

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    2. Peter,

      LOLs...I had to go back and find it. Have read everything you wrote since getting interested in LENR, but there is getting to be so much from all the players, including you, it is hard to keep up. So pardon me.

      That said, it was one of your best. Remember it well. So much so that it caught the attention of Abd who did the point by point rebuttal, and Dr. Storms over on Vortex who seemed to (before he "unsubmitted" from there) be growing less and less tolerant of others views.

      As to the technical aspect (palladium the science/curse)... I leave it to the titans within the industry to debate that. With my lack of background on the subject, it would be an insult to try and join in. So I will stick to my reading and learning.

      Take care.

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  13. The NDA cannot be enforced if DGT's assertions were false and or deliberately misleading. It's hard to know who's right & who's wrong, but time will tell.

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  14. Peter. In the interests of full disclosure.

    Do you have any financial or other connection to Defkalion Green outside of reporting on their progress or otherwise?

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    1. I have no financial relationship of any kind with them. I have explained how I have discovered they are very good in engineering and management, how they have developed creative NEW principles so
      they will make my New Energy (was Cold Fusion) dream real.
      HENI has a great technological future. People who are illiterate in Technology are unable to understand this.
      Why are you asking- what has to be fully disclosed?

      Peter

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  15. Do you have any idea who Mr. Xanthoulis is?

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    1. Yes, I know him well, I and other journalists had written about him.
      Because I cannot travel (bad vision, old) we are discussing mainly on Skype.
      Peter

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  16. Do you know him? Since when? Do you know about his background in Romania?

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  17. The Greece company is a clown mob, but this is how things are done in Greece. As Mr Rossi finally found out ..the best thing is independent testing and openness.

    Mr. Gamberale have been under pressure for his colleagues to avoid any further association with the Greece company. They have probably told him that his carrier will be damaged.

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    1. I am sorry but you should not consider yourself a serious person and mention "clown mob - is how things are done in greece". You generalise and show a fool (at least to me).

      This is the first time I reply (but read about development once a quarter - my job is IT) and Mr. Gluck seems the only person who is sincere. Right or wrong, like for everyone in life, it will be demonstrated in the future but he seems to only be driven by pure scientific feelings.

      As a Greek myself I hope things turn out for the good in the future. I see a lot of people thinking I'm naive (I was on Mats blog just before reading the comments) but as a simple user of such technology and the potential I hope that it all is sorted out soon.

      Mr. Gluck, I would be very happy if your expectations are met by defkalion.

      Vassilis

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    2. Dear Vassilis,
      I have total confidence that my Defkalion friends will be able to solve all the problems- but I well know t is not easy and engaging in useless discussions and endless sterile polemics is not useful. Let them work, and focus on the task- a fine new energy source.
      Greetings, Peter

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  18. Hello Peter,

    I came across this patent filing

    http://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/pdfs/US20130243143.pdf

    I understand it's a French Italian company with holding in the Netherlands for patents and royalties (could be wrong - I simply Googled it)

    Have you seen it? Can you comment on the content?

    In a world where people are bought I would be interested to see how this patent is or may be related to Defkalion work.

    Knowing the mentality of Greek and Italians (pride, secretiveness, not good forming partnerships etc) I am interested to see whether someone else has filed core elements of their work for patent.

    Some times people who make things don't know how to protect themselves or the legal costs for industrial espionage are times higher than anything else.

    Reading the patent filing, and being ignorant on this field, I would like your opinion compared to Defkalion work (to me the patent calls for things I read about how hyperion works).

    Vassilis

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    1. Dear Vassilis,

      Thank you for signalling the patent. I know it, I know well the main author who is a bright IT engineer (Ubaldo) The patent is somewhat on the Piantelli line not similar to DGT's technological principles. As far as I know it is not backed by some working device.
      Please write to my personal address peter.gluck@gmail.com and
      we will be able to discuss more directly. Just from curiosity have you read: http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2012/02/translation-no-1-of-my-rules-in-greek.html

      Peter

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